I've never been one to shy away from the tough stuff; this post isn't fluffy puppies, sunshine, and rainbows. But it is a post about a subject that affects pretty much all of us, men and women. At some point in our lives the odds are very good that will be confronted with someone who has lost a baby; either by miscarriage or later for another reason; I would think that some of this would even apply to the woman who struggles with the grief of infertility.
What do you say to that person?
What do you not say to that person?
We have great potential for our words to give love or to cause even greater grief. I need to know how to talk with someone who has experienced loss so I turned to Susie from Be Strong and Courageous.
Susie has a son named Joshua; He was born with an encephalocele, which is a neural tube defect. He opposed the odds with intense strength! Oh, they were stacked against him, but he was not afraid! He lived for nine weeks and four days!
Susie knows the torturous grief of losing a child, she knows the depths a mother's heart can go in sorrow; she has experienced botched (good) attempts at comfort from those of us who just don't know what to say. Susie is here today to walk us through the sometimes very tricky process of talking to a woman (or man) experiencing loss.
Welcome Susie!
“I’ve just miscarried this weekend,” said my friend. Her face was pale; she looked as though she had cried all weekend too. This was their first pregnancy, and it was over before morning sickness could even subside. There I stood, with my burgeoning five month belly, with a pale, tear stricken face as well. I’d just discovered my son, Joshua Matthew, had a defect. My midwife told me he’d probably only live few minutes, maybe hours. Our situations were different, but we were both grieving for a child.
What do you say? What can you say? Your girlfriend calls and says, “We lost the baby.” Or worse, you say, “So, you feeling okay?” checking in on the friend who has horrible morning sickness, and she says, “I’m not pregnant anymore.” You’re struck with this odd guilt – maybe you have healthy children, or you’ve never had a miscarriage, or you feel badly that you even asked. That guilt is normal, it’s part of our DNA. It’s probably a version of sympathy.
But that doesn’t answer the question of “What do you say?”.
What’s most important to remember is you are not going to provide comfort. Nothing you say or do will fix this situation. You can’t bring the baby back, you can’t make the last few days go away. And that’s okay. It is not your responsibility or privilege to provide any comfort. That’s not meant to be condescending, but there’s not a lot you can offer at a time like this.
Always remember that every woman is different, and while we’d like formula for what to say or do, it will need to be adapted for the situation and the persons involved. In terms of a miscarriage, a mother may still be experiencing pain and is most likely still bleeding in the days following a miscarriage. She probably won’t want to get out of the house.
As uncomfortable as you may feel, let her talk. She may not want to talk, and please respect that. There’s nothing worse than feeling like you’re getting “full-force counseling” when you don’t want it, or having someone pry at the situation when you’re not ready to talk. But I’ve found relief in telling people about my son. I’ve found relief in talking about his birth, his death, and his time with us. Talking helps. It may be hard for you to listen. You may feel very awkward, as though you shouldn’t be listening. But if she thinks you are the person to talk to – take it as a compliment. She trusts you. And don’t go spreading what she said as prayer request. It’s gossip. And hearing her child’s death as gossip will rip her in two.
Good responses:
“I’m so sorry for your loss. I’m praying for you.”
This is the safest response. It may sound trite, but it’s safe. You aren’t going to offend anyone with that.
“We’re thinking of you. Can I bring you a meal tomorrow night?”
Meals are always welcomed, but keep in mind that other people may bring food as well. If the meal you bring (or muffins, biscuits, cookies) can be frozen or refrigerated for a few days, all the better. It can be more than a mom can take to have to think about meal plans when she’s in grief.
“I’m so sorry. Can we take the kids for a little while, or would you like them close by.”
This may be a relief for her. Perhaps she doesn’t want to cry in front of her children. However, very often a mother who has lost a child does not want her other children out of her sight. Please respect this. Her paranoia about losing another child is very real. While she may be overwhelmed at the moment, having you take her kids to the park may be too much for her to handle. Feel it out, and be respectful of her answers.
Not-so-hot responses:
“Are you okay?”
What you mean is, “Is your miscarriage causing you physical pain?”, but to the Mommy, it sounds like, “Does this matter to you?” Of course she’s not okay. She just lost her baby. Life will never be the same again. She thought she was invincible, and she’s just discovered she can’t protect her children like she wants to. It’s really easy to say it. I’ll admit it’s slipped out of my mouth before.
“Oh, I lost a baby once too. It gets better.”
It may seem illogical, but in my grief, I enjoyed missing Joshua because I could be his Momma that way. I was still the closest to him. I could miss him like no one else could. It was my way of honoring him – and still is.
“It’s a good thing you have your daughter then, isn’t it?”
This was actually said to me by an elder at my church. Had I known him better (I had just met him a few minutes before) I might have said something other than a tentative “Yeah…”. This comment made me so angry. I wanted to hit him. Having one, when I’m supposed to have two, stinks.
“He’s with the angels now.” Or “He’s in a better place.”
When a mother has lost her child – whether it’s a miscarriage, a stillbirth, an early infant death, or an older child - and you say, “He’s in a better place”, or “It gets better” her response inside is, “He belongs with me. I’m a good mother, I took care of him. And I don’t want it to get better, because I want to miss him.”
“Well, you’re young. You can have another.”
A mother never wants to hear that she can have another. Perhaps it’s true. Perhaps she’ll get pregnant easily. Perhaps that child will be just fine. But it’s not comforting. I was at a funeral for a little girl who lived 6 minutes when I was only 11 years old. Her mother said, “Please don’t say ‘You can have another one’, because I wanted her.”
A close relative that I love said that one to me. That hurt. I didn’t know how to respond!
“Here are some Bible verses about grief.”
Bible verses are great. But please be careful. The day we lost Joshua, my husband said to me, “If anyone comes near me with a Bible right now, I think I’ll scream!” It wasn’t that we didn’t trust God, or believe in Him, or know that He had an ultimate purpose. But when you’re in grief, sometimes reading Scripture by the page doesn’t help. Perhaps for some people it will, but not for us. We wanted to hold Joshua, to look at his things, look at his pictures. We took our daughter to the park, we went shopping. We needed air.
I think the only thing I can say conclusively is that less is more. I know that for myself, the more I say, the worse it gets. The more my mouth flaps, the more ridiculous and less encouraging I am.
“I’m so sorry.” Keep it short and simple, until you feel more comfortable offering more, and until the person is ready to hear more. That may be months. Give her time.
Thank you, Susie.
You can visit Susie and read Joshua's whole amazing and miraculous story at Be Strong and Courageous.
What do you say to that person?
What do you not say to that person?
We have great potential for our words to give love or to cause even greater grief. I need to know how to talk with someone who has experienced loss so I turned to Susie from Be Strong and Courageous.
Susie has a son named Joshua; He was born with an encephalocele, which is a neural tube defect. He opposed the odds with intense strength! Oh, they were stacked against him, but he was not afraid! He lived for nine weeks and four days!
Susie knows the torturous grief of losing a child, she knows the depths a mother's heart can go in sorrow; she has experienced botched (good) attempts at comfort from those of us who just don't know what to say. Susie is here today to walk us through the sometimes very tricky process of talking to a woman (or man) experiencing loss.
Welcome Susie!
When a friend experiences loss
“I’ve just miscarried this weekend,” said my friend. Her face was pale; she looked as though she had cried all weekend too. This was their first pregnancy, and it was over before morning sickness could even subside. There I stood, with my burgeoning five month belly, with a pale, tear stricken face as well. I’d just discovered my son, Joshua Matthew, had a defect. My midwife told me he’d probably only live few minutes, maybe hours. Our situations were different, but we were both grieving for a child.
What do you say? What can you say? Your girlfriend calls and says, “We lost the baby.” Or worse, you say, “So, you feeling okay?” checking in on the friend who has horrible morning sickness, and she says, “I’m not pregnant anymore.” You’re struck with this odd guilt – maybe you have healthy children, or you’ve never had a miscarriage, or you feel badly that you even asked. That guilt is normal, it’s part of our DNA. It’s probably a version of sympathy.
But that doesn’t answer the question of “What do you say?”.
What’s most important to remember is you are not going to provide comfort. Nothing you say or do will fix this situation. You can’t bring the baby back, you can’t make the last few days go away. And that’s okay. It is not your responsibility or privilege to provide any comfort. That’s not meant to be condescending, but there’s not a lot you can offer at a time like this.
Always remember that every woman is different, and while we’d like formula for what to say or do, it will need to be adapted for the situation and the persons involved. In terms of a miscarriage, a mother may still be experiencing pain and is most likely still bleeding in the days following a miscarriage. She probably won’t want to get out of the house.
As uncomfortable as you may feel, let her talk. She may not want to talk, and please respect that. There’s nothing worse than feeling like you’re getting “full-force counseling” when you don’t want it, or having someone pry at the situation when you’re not ready to talk. But I’ve found relief in telling people about my son. I’ve found relief in talking about his birth, his death, and his time with us. Talking helps. It may be hard for you to listen. You may feel very awkward, as though you shouldn’t be listening. But if she thinks you are the person to talk to – take it as a compliment. She trusts you. And don’t go spreading what she said as prayer request. It’s gossip. And hearing her child’s death as gossip will rip her in two.
Good responses:
“I’m so sorry for your loss. I’m praying for you.”
This is the safest response. It may sound trite, but it’s safe. You aren’t going to offend anyone with that.
“We’re thinking of you. Can I bring you a meal tomorrow night?”
Meals are always welcomed, but keep in mind that other people may bring food as well. If the meal you bring (or muffins, biscuits, cookies) can be frozen or refrigerated for a few days, all the better. It can be more than a mom can take to have to think about meal plans when she’s in grief.
“I’m so sorry. Can we take the kids for a little while, or would you like them close by.”
This may be a relief for her. Perhaps she doesn’t want to cry in front of her children. However, very often a mother who has lost a child does not want her other children out of her sight. Please respect this. Her paranoia about losing another child is very real. While she may be overwhelmed at the moment, having you take her kids to the park may be too much for her to handle. Feel it out, and be respectful of her answers.
Not-so-hot responses:
“Are you okay?”
What you mean is, “Is your miscarriage causing you physical pain?”, but to the Mommy, it sounds like, “Does this matter to you?” Of course she’s not okay. She just lost her baby. Life will never be the same again. She thought she was invincible, and she’s just discovered she can’t protect her children like she wants to. It’s really easy to say it. I’ll admit it’s slipped out of my mouth before.
“Oh, I lost a baby once too. It gets better.”
It may seem illogical, but in my grief, I enjoyed missing Joshua because I could be his Momma that way. I was still the closest to him. I could miss him like no one else could. It was my way of honoring him – and still is.
“It’s a good thing you have your daughter then, isn’t it?”
This was actually said to me by an elder at my church. Had I known him better (I had just met him a few minutes before) I might have said something other than a tentative “Yeah…”. This comment made me so angry. I wanted to hit him. Having one, when I’m supposed to have two, stinks.
“He’s with the angels now.” Or “He’s in a better place.”
When a mother has lost her child – whether it’s a miscarriage, a stillbirth, an early infant death, or an older child - and you say, “He’s in a better place”, or “It gets better” her response inside is, “He belongs with me. I’m a good mother, I took care of him. And I don’t want it to get better, because I want to miss him.”
“Well, you’re young. You can have another.”
A mother never wants to hear that she can have another. Perhaps it’s true. Perhaps she’ll get pregnant easily. Perhaps that child will be just fine. But it’s not comforting. I was at a funeral for a little girl who lived 6 minutes when I was only 11 years old. Her mother said, “Please don’t say ‘You can have another one’, because I wanted her.”
A close relative that I love said that one to me. That hurt. I didn’t know how to respond!
“Here are some Bible verses about grief.”
Bible verses are great. But please be careful. The day we lost Joshua, my husband said to me, “If anyone comes near me with a Bible right now, I think I’ll scream!” It wasn’t that we didn’t trust God, or believe in Him, or know that He had an ultimate purpose. But when you’re in grief, sometimes reading Scripture by the page doesn’t help. Perhaps for some people it will, but not for us. We wanted to hold Joshua, to look at his things, look at his pictures. We took our daughter to the park, we went shopping. We needed air.
I think the only thing I can say conclusively is that less is more. I know that for myself, the more I say, the worse it gets. The more my mouth flaps, the more ridiculous and less encouraging I am.
“I’m so sorry.” Keep it short and simple, until you feel more comfortable offering more, and until the person is ready to hear more. That may be months. Give her time.
Thank you, Susie.
You can visit Susie and read Joshua's whole amazing and miraculous story at Be Strong and Courageous.
28 Comments:
Thank you so much for sharing this...I hope never to have to turn to this, but if I ever should, it helps so much to know.
What a touching and inspiring post, and very timely for me. I will take it to heart and think carefully as I comfort a close friend dealing with this right now.
Beautifully written. Thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing this. I would have never known how to approach this. Its such a horrible situation.
Thank you so much.
as a mama whose 2nd daughter was stillborn @ 41w last year, i can affirm all that susie has said.
one more thing i would add, that from my experience with stillbirth/mc/early infant loss mamas is this.
The biggest and best thing you can do for a loss mama is GIVE HER GRACE.
I lost 2 of my IRL friends about 7m after Catti was stillborn, b/c they thought I should be over it. One of them was offended that I was not excited and participating with joy in her 2nd pregnancy (she was due in Nov, barely 8m from my loss) and the hard thing about her pregnancy for me was that her older daughter and her 2nd daughter were going to be 25m apart, like MY daughters were.
The most painful part for me has been the grief of my older daughter. I can't fix it, nurse it away, take it away, even pray it away. It's a process she too has to go through, and it's so hard.
This friend cut me out of her life b/c she said that I was a terrible friend for being so selfish and not being excited about her 2nd daughter.
I needed grace. Grace from people to say "ok *I* don't think she's getting over this fast enough" or that maybe i wasn't meeting someone 's expectations of grief and loss...but to be quite frank, infant loss is one unlike ANY other loss. You cannot compare it and the grief process to losing a parent (and heck, i lost my mother who was 44 when i was 21. so i know parental grief all too well, i held her in my arms as she died. that wasn't easy either, but SO different)
yeah so the bottom line, grace. step back and give them some space and understanding that maybe you wouldn't give a non-loss mama friend.
the friends that have extended grace and understanding to me are the ones that have helped me heal the most.
lastly, i concur about the missing. sometimes missing catti is all that makes me feel connected to her and like it was real.
Thank you for such a thoughtful post. I suppose if we've never walked in these shoes, our best of intentions could still be hurtful. Thank you for sharing.
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Thank you Susie, for your guidance on this subject. I don't know why some people would be thoughtless enough to say some of those things, but you can never assume that people will be sensitive I guess!
Everyti8ng she said was perfect and true. I suffered a miscarriage this past summer. It would have been our first. It was the single hardest thing I've ever had to deal with and am still dealing with. It was along summer and my miscarriage had complications which made it even worse. Thankfully, at this point it is over and I am returning to normal. Thanks for sharing this Andrea, for those who have never experienced infant or pregnanacy loss, this can be a very touchy subject with words. Even when they are not meant to hurt, sometimes they still can. Just as a little addition, October 15th is National Pregnancy and Infant Loss Rememberance Day.
THanks, Susie for giving us some insight!
I was glad to read what you said. I had a close friend who miscarried, and I felt like I had nothing to offer. I just sat by her and told her that I loved her and was so sorry. Turns out that was probably the best I could do anyway.
Having had two miscarriages myself and honestly, speaking from experience, there is NOTHING anyone can say at the time to make it better.
I had to go through the usual comments from friends and family "it's for the best", "maybe it wasn't meant to be"....I would have been happier with just a simple "I'm sorry" and a hug.
Having a miscarriage is a very tramatic experience, you have to deal with all these feelings of guilt even though you know you did nothing wrong. There's a hurt and pain that never goes away. Both my miscarriages happened in 2002 and there is not a day that goes by that I don't think about the baby's I lost. It will be with me with forever.
I'm glad you did this post because if I had never been through them, I wouldn't know what to say to someone who is having to go through it now and as it stands, there IS a blog friend who just lost her baby last week.
Thanks Andrea :)
Thank you Andrea for sharing this with us. I've had 3 miscarriages in the last 5 years, and I've never gotten over the feeling of loss and feeling that it was my fault. A hug and a listening hear are the best comforts.
Thank you again for sharing.
I read both of your blogs daily and have found this post to be very helpful. It is hard to approach a person who has experienced a loss of any kind and the loss of thier child is the hardest. Thanks for writing about such a hard topic. I wanted to say thanks especially to you Andrea for adding those of us who suffer from fertility problems in there too, I often feel like I am suffering a loss of some sort and yet not really at the same time. It is hard to feel like I fit into any category.
So well said! So needed!!!!
I have not experienced the loss of a child, but so much of what you said rings true for our situation, too...a child born with serious medical issues.
It's amazing how some words - and you're so right it's the most simple words - can help so much. And other words can cause you to instantly look for something to punch or throw.
The most helpful words people said to us were just like you said...along with "I'm so proud of you" and "you're a hero."
The worst were similar to what you said...but I have to add the cliches are what really drive me over the edge - "God doesn't give you more than you can handle"...oh really?
GOD gave this to me? You're sure about that? This didn't come from Satan? This didn't come from toxic waste? This came from GOD?!
God GAVE this to me?! He wrapped it up and put a pretty bow on it did he? He was going to give it to someone else, but then he decided to give it to me?
God gave this to ME? God didn't give this to our son? Didn't give this to my husband?
And I got it because I can handle it?! So if I couldn't handle it our son would be perfectly healthy? I deserve it because I can handle it? Being strong is what got us into this mess?
That's how God operates? He goes around giving birth defects and medical problems to babies because their families can handle it?!
Talk about opening up a can of philosophical worms that a parent is in no way ready to handle! That goes along with "If he brings you to it he'll bring you through it" and other such overused, cutesy sayings.
I think it's hard to think of what to say without saying what actually makes YOU feel better rather than the person in real pain. I don't think it's purposefully selfish, it's just our nature to be so empathetic that we actually feel the pain of others so intensely. I think that's where the "in a better place" and "at least you have other children" and such come from. It makes the person saying it feel better.
We still get a lot of "Well at least you can have more children." Yeah, great, because obviously we screwed up the last one...it's nice we get a do-over. And the much more innocent "But he's going to be okay, right?"
Right. Yeah. He's going to be okay. Feel better now?
Well, obviously you've written about something that has been bothering me. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
- becca
eyeonthebaby.blogspot.com
What a great post. and so well said!
Thank you Susie and Andrea! It is heartbreaking and horrible to see someone in pain and not be able to offer any help. Unfortunately, sometimes that's just the way that it is. It is very helpful to hear from someone who has been there.
Sometimes allowing someone to live through their pain is the best thing that you can do.
As a mother whose daughter was stillborn at term, I have a particular aversion to the statement, "Don't worry, you're young, you'll have more children." Especially when this came from people who knew NOTHING about the circumstances of my daughter's death! We never received a medical explanation for her passing, but for all they knew she could have had a genetic disorder than any subsequent child could have had too. It seemed so dismissive to me, and showed such unwillingness or inability to even begin to understand we had lost a treasure and loved member of our family.
I still have long way to go in forgiving some people for inadvertently hurtful comments, but a post like this reminds ME to be gracious towards those who don't know too. Thank you.
That was a wonderfully written post. Full of insight and good advice.
I particularly liked the part that said it is not our responsibility or privilege to provide comfort. It seems like comfort is found only when one feels closest to what they have lost.
Thanks Andrea and Susie!
Very touching post, and very true. I've only experienced miscarriage, but that in itself was very hard. I know now what to say to other mothers dealing with miscarriage or infant loss.
Thanks Susie! I always feel awkward with what to say. I really appreciate this insight.
Thank you Andrea for allowing Susie to share and for being a friend who cares so much that she wants to know how to respond in a loving and helpful way in such a situation. I am so thankful for you and every blogland friend who has supported Matt and Susie through their loss. I want you to know that you have also been a blessing to their extended family as well. God bless!
Thank you Mrs. Hub for inviting Susie to guest blog. I think she did an excellent job with her advice. Unfortunately wisdom does not come from inexperience... hopefully some of us will not make the comments that will hurt but heal the hearts of our friends who experience the loss of a child.
Thanks again... to you & Susie.
ToOdLeS.ShEiLA
wow... what a post!
I walked that road 3 times... and not very gracefully.
people just don't know.
What a great post! I hope I remember all of these wonderful suggestions next time I encounter a situation I could use it in.
What a great post! Thanks susie for guest blogging and Andrea for having her. I've had some family members and friends experience a miscarriage and I was always worried about what to say. I also have a friend who lost her husband a couple of years ago and often she will bring it up and I never know what to say. I always want to be sensitive to what that person is going through. This really helped alot and gave some wonderful thoughts. Thanks.
I really appreciate reading this. My SIL lost her and my brother's baby just a couple days after finding out she was expecting. When it happened none of us knew what to say. Thank you for sharing this!
It's so good to know what to say and what NOT to say to someone who is grieving the loss of a child. When you haven't been in those shoes, you just don't know. Thank you so much for this post.
That was very well written. And so true. I just had had a miscarriage last month and wow, I can relate. Thanks for sharing this.
~Erika
Your words are so thoughtful and full of wisdom...
I wish the words were not needed, ever... but sadly, they are. You have given everyone here today the voice to help. Thank you...
I hated hearing, "You still have another baby!" after I lost her twin. Just because I had one doesn't mean I didn't long for the other. I think alot of times people just don't know what to say.
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