I've got a few questions that are swirling around in my mind... And I know, Army Wives is a fictional show. But, still... the questions need answers.
First off - Is the Army really that close knit?
The wives seemed to become friends instantly. I've lived in the Air Force for nearly ten years now - on base and off - and it is not like that. Or at least for me it's not. There is a certain amount of instant camaraderie that occurs but not to the degree that is shown between these Army wives.
And another thing- I am wondering about the fraternization. Is it not as defined in the Army? Because it - as far as I have seen on this base - is pretty defined between wives in the Air Force. I just can't see myself, no matter how cute and sassy I may be, hob knobin' it with the base commander's wife. Ya know?
And the houses on the Army post in the show - I love how they are close and the kids all play in the yard together. But is that normal? We have some of that here, between the kids, but the houses aren't that close. And the wives don't sit out and chat together. Though I am all for that. My neighbors barely come out of their houses!
So, my fellow Air Force wives, and Army wives, and Navy Wives, and Marine Wives, and Coast Guard wives... you know I love you all... Tell me how it really is.
Oh, and I just started the second season so don't go spoiling anything for me... okay!
A gratuitous picture of our littlest Air Force "brat"
First off - Is the Army really that close knit?
The wives seemed to become friends instantly. I've lived in the Air Force for nearly ten years now - on base and off - and it is not like that. Or at least for me it's not. There is a certain amount of instant camaraderie that occurs but not to the degree that is shown between these Army wives.
And another thing- I am wondering about the fraternization. Is it not as defined in the Army? Because it - as far as I have seen on this base - is pretty defined between wives in the Air Force. I just can't see myself, no matter how cute and sassy I may be, hob knobin' it with the base commander's wife. Ya know?
And the houses on the Army post in the show - I love how they are close and the kids all play in the yard together. But is that normal? We have some of that here, between the kids, but the houses aren't that close. And the wives don't sit out and chat together. Though I am all for that. My neighbors barely come out of their houses!
So, my fellow Air Force wives, and Army wives, and Navy Wives, and Marine Wives, and Coast Guard wives... you know I love you all... Tell me how it really is.
Oh, and I just started the second season so don't go spoiling anything for me... okay!
A gratuitous picture of our littlest Air Force "brat"
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I'm a navy wife and we've never lived in base housing, but aside from that being a possible barrier to making friends with navy wives, it's just not that easy. We have much more luck making friends with civilians than we've ever had with military families. The husbands are usually quite nice, but for some reason, the wives seem to think that THEY are the ones with the rank and they lay on the pomp and circumstance quite thickly.
It could just be that I've met the wrong women though, but I feel none of the instant bonding that they depict between the wives on that show with the navy wives I've met. There have been the "we're in the same boat so we might as well give this a stab" type of hesitant friendships, but for the most part the reality is nothing like the show.
I suppose the one key thing that holds us all back is that at times, we feel like spectators in our own lives because we never know when we may have to pick up and leave everything. It's simply easier to not get involved. I know that I'm guilty of that.
Ok, I've never seen the show so I can only speak from experience. The army wives I know aren't as close knit as you are describing. And, the fraternization thing is so much more frowned upon in the Army than in the AF. Many of my closer friends at bases where we've been stationed are on the opposite side of the officer/enlisted fence than I am. No one ever seems to bat an eye.
As far as the houses go, it all depends on the base, with our experience. At Malmstrom, it was totally like that. In the summer, we were all outside until the late hours of the night with kids playing in everyone's yard. Everyone's dogs out playing together. I used to leave my house unlocked when I left and would come home to a note on the counter from a neighbor saying, "I borrowed some mayo!" and think nothing of it. We haven't been at base where the neighbors were that close since then. At Andrews, it was just weird. Here, we are out at least three times a week with neighbors right next to us and have cookouts and such but the commrodarie stops there with neighbors...again, it's weird because of the size/location of the base. I could go on and on...can ya tell? :)
Well, around here (as you know from my complaining err- I mean descriptions) the houses ARE for sure right on top of each other and there aren't really "yards" unless you count sporadic common areas. So all the younger kids do play together outside and I've gotten to know several other military wives that way. It's very similar to what you see on Army Wives as far as the enlisted housing set up. (except, I'm convinced it's nicer on the show- they look like duplex's instead of derelict 8-plex's, ha!)
The fraternization is all wrong in my experience. There's NO WAY any enlisted wife I've ever known would be hanging out with the commander's wife. HA! Bwahahahaha! Not in a million years!
In fact, Dillon attended base school last year and he coincidentally ended up in a class full of many (mostly lower ranking) officer's children. Those women (the Mom's I mean) wouldn't even talk to me at school functions. There's definitely a strong class distinction on this base and we generally don't mix well. Quite sad really...
Although I will mention that the higher ranking officer's wives are very pleasant to me at church. But it's not like we'd ever be invited for dinner at their house or anything :P Right or wrong, It just isn't done.
You mention instant camaraderie, and I've found some of that here in a few special girlfriends. But it doesn't happen that way instantaneously with everyone.
There are all kinds of people in the military just like in the civilian world- and some people like to be left alone, plain and simple. We've lived here just long enough now to see the first "shift" of old families moving out and new families moving in and our block is now full of "neighbors that barely come out of their houses". Last summer there were about 4 of us SAHM's that would all sit outside and chat while our kids played in the afternoon. Our husbands would join too many times if they had a chance. Now they're all gone and I'm lucky if most of the new wives will nod at me in the parking lot when we pass. That's been difficult for me to get used to. I feel like it should be like you see on TV. And it was sort of that way when we first moved here. We should all band together, right? I want to knock on doors and welcome new families to the neighborhood with baskets of cookies. But I'm certain they would think I was CRAZY. Maybe people just aren't as social as they once were in general?? I don't know...
And wow! That was the longest comment ever!
I'm so glad you posted this topic because I too have been wondering this for some time. I LOVE the show Army Wives, although I'm an Air Force wife myself but we live of an Army Post. Let me tell you life on Fort Meade isn't even close to what the show makes you think it would or should be. I've yet to make any connections in the almost 2 years I've lived on post. I'm really looking forward to reading everyone's responses!
We're kind of in that awkward in-between stage being a lower officer family. We aren't high ranked enough to be "top brass", but we have that whole commission thing between us and the enlisted families who have been doing this for 15 years long than we have.
Our neighborhood is really close. We've only lived here three months (our first experience with on post housing) and we have yet to lock our door. We frequently run over to the neighbors' houses to let their dogs out to go to the bathroom, borrow some random ingredient or kitchen item, and if we forget to take out our trash, someone else ALWAYS does it for us. I cannot even walk to the mailbox which is three doors down without stopping to chat with someone. And during the school year, there is an entire group of mommies who pull out the lawn chairs and chat in someone's front yard about 30 minutes before school lets out.
As for the whole rank thing, we're only O-2s. Most of my closest friends are also wives of O-1s or O-2s, but I am also really good friends with the wife of an O-5 and an O-4 and a good handful of O-3s. So, as far as the relationship between Denise and Claudia Joy, that doesn't seem far off at all. But, that being said, I will have to admit that we just don't socialize with the enlisted wives. Shameful, I know, but it just doesn't happen. Not purposefully, I would never ask for someone's husband's rank before inviting them over for coffee or dinner, but just because we don't move in the same circles. My entire neighborhood is made up of similarly ranking families, the people my husband is friends with are similarly ranked, and the women I meet at the social events I am required to go to usually are either my husband's rank or vastly outrank him! Our FRG (family readiness group to the non-army people) is totally dysfunctional and non of the officer's wives participate because it is so screwed up and just a total drama factory, so unless I make friends at the commissary, I really just have no opportunity to meet anyone else.
So that's my entirely too long comment :)
Oh, I mean to add..I did find those instant connections here. Some of my dear friends I have only known less than a year and they are nearly sisters to me now. So, maybe it's just the drinking water here....we are all eerily close!
I should add that I have not gone out of my way to make friends with the military wives because I have in the past and really disliked losing contact with friends I'd gotten quite close to when we all got stationed elsewhere. It's stupid, but I'm always so busy that I think if I just cultivate friendships that are going to be more permanent, it would be a better way to spend the little time I have for socializing. It sounds so cold, but maybe other wives are the same way??
Oh, not that is matters but since everyone else is saying I'm an enlisted wife my husband is an E-5. The Commander's wife in my husband's unit is VERY nice and social and plans outtings once a month for all the spouses. So I have socialized with Officer's Wives but only in group settings.
Ok, we're National Guard, so it's completely different...but there is still somewhat of a barrier making friends with officers wives. I agree that many times the wives think they're the one with rank. Sad really.
As for the show, I love it. I don't think that the scnearios themselves are true to life, but the emotions are...and it does enlighten the general population of some of the feelings we go through. Other than that, it's just entertainment.
By the way, Congrats! I see you won the Canning Prize over at the Reluctant Entertainer! Way to Go!!
I'm looking up the word Fraternization... Then I'll reread the post :)
My sister is a Chaplain's Wife, in the Air Force. He's a Captain at Andrews. From what I hear There's not a lot of Fraternizationlike that. Infact they are trying to hold more gathering for families to meet and greet.
With my short 2 years of Air Force wife experience, I have really different experiences. The short time that we lived in Hawaii, the connections I had with other military wives of all branches was through our church and there, there were no barriers between enlisted and officers. In fact, our closest friends were an Army officer and his wife. I think it was the church environment and the fact that I didn't know any differently. I was totally new at the military wife thing, as you might remember.
Living off base here at Hill AFB, was different too. I knew literally one other wife that lived on base because her husband worked with mine. Both enlisted.
I have never seen Army Wives, but I am interested now. Where do you find it?
I have been reading everyone`s comment and I just had to leave one as well. It should not matter what rank your husband wears, you are not wearing it. So every other wife you meet at an military Post should be seen as just a wife.
If you are a nice and friendly and outgoing person then u come across just like that. Maybe instead of waiting for everyone else to say Hi to you , you do the first step and say HI to them.
We are subforce, and I think our experience is probably as close to Army Wives as it gets. Subforce is different. Our guys live on top of each other when at sea - enlisted and officers included, and the frequent deployments put the wives (there are no husbands because no women serve on submarines) together a lot more often than most commands. You have to go the FRG meetings if you want to know what's going on with the boat while it's away because information like that can't go down the phone tree until it's imminent.
That said, there are always those people who really don't try at all to get involved and wonder why they don't have any friends. It takes effort, whether you're living on base or not. I was an ombudsman for a couple of years and absolutely couldn't STAND the people who insisted they weren't going to have anything to do with meetings and wanted me to personally tell them what I was going to say. Um, no, sorry, I'm not going to have a personal meeting with every wife on the boat just because you have a bias against the FRG.
I do have the benefit of my church, however. Every time we move, it's easy to find a group of people to hang out with because the LDS church is the same religion no matter where you are. Most of my friends I met there, and while I tend to gravitate toward the military wives because there's less explaining to do, I also have quite a few civilian friends as well.
We live in base housing, and it annoys me how many parents just let their kids run wild. You rarely see the adults around. I don't get it; are they all inside playing video games or something? There is this 8 year old girl who is always on our playground; and she told me she lives a good ten minute walk away. I've NEVER seen her parents, ever. And she's been coming around for a couple years now. That's just not the way I parent my kids.
Bottom line, I think Army Wives is ridiculous, even though things do ring true to me at times (which is probably why I'm still watching it). I have a friend who's the wife of a submarine captain, but not our sub. It's never been an issue, although I think my husband sometimes stays back because he's enlisted. If anything, making friends with officer's wives is hard because of the guys we are married to. We'll never hang out as a couple, so that makes it awkward sometimes. We may not be in the military, but that doesn't mean we can completely ignore it, either. It's just not as simple as people on the outside think it is.
It's a problem no matter where you live or what you do, however, that neighbors ignore one another. I think all of us need to learn to reach out and stop waiting for others to come to us (me included!).
Air Force wife. Have been for 9 years now. 3 bases and now a year seperation has occured. My husband is on officer, but he is prior enlisted and some of out best friends are enlisted. We dont care at all about rank and neither do our friends.
Our first base we lived off base. Had lots of military friends, all the same rank as my husband. We were all young, newly married and our husbands just commissioned. Then we moved to CA, lived on base and did a lot with our friends. All same rank again. Then we moved to Cannon. My best friend there was enlisted and many others were enlisted. We lived off base, but right behind the housing I think you may be in. We did a lot with our church and everything with them.
Here, back in OH, while hubby is gone, I am back in base housing. Living with neighbors again of the same rank. Our neighborhood DOES A TON together. All the time. It is great. We move in November and I know we will live off base and I hope to have this again, but I am doubtful.
That show is so fake. I can't stand it. Every time I see a commercial for it I wonder if that is really what people think we live like? Um, yeah, I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen in any of the services. I have lived in Army housing before (for 4 years) and it was the kind that was extremely close together and I only knew the people right next door for the whole 4 years. I have friends who live in the new housing they built here which is very nice and would be easy to socialize with neighbors and they still don't know any of them.
As far as the O vs. E thing, most all bases I have ever been to have the housing, clubs, and everything else completely separated. There is a sign in our O housing that says not open to public without invitation from occupant. So you can't even drive down the street there.
Grrrrr! That show really gets my goat!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who questions this.
Everyone always says how close knit and friendly military people are. I, for one, have not seen that in action. I've not experienced friendly neighbors and I certaintly haven't made friends instantly. I've been at my first duty station for six months and there are 2 girls that I talk to from time to time.
We're enlisted and the only time I've ever encountered the officer wives was at our battalion ball.
I wish I had some close-knit friends that they portray on the show, but I don't and I'm not sure I will anytime soon.
BTW, you're cute and sassy sentence in your blog had me rolling. :)
I haven't watched the show, so I'm speaking from experience rather than in relation to that. I've apparently had a vastly different experience from others. My hubby has been active duty for 6 years now and we have 5 duty stations and 2 deployments under our belts. I've had close friends at each duty station - whose husbands were both enlisted and officer. I've also met several women on both sides of the fence who refused (either blatantly or more subtly) to associate with people on the other. But the vast majority of wives I've met have not been that way at all. To me, it doesn't matter what rank your husband wears. If we click, we click and we are blessed to have found each other. If not, well - we may not be best friends but that doesn't mean we can't be at the very least civil and at best, actually supportive of each other.
I'm not a fan of the Army Wives show, but mostly because the first season really turned me off. It wasn't very realistic to me at all. I haven't found the instant connection with many of the Army wives I've met. My best friend is an Army wife and we instantly hit it off but it turned out we were from the same state and had a lot in common from the get go. Eric's enlisted right now but is going to the ROTC to become an officer so we will have been on both sides of the fence. As far as I've seen there isn't the fraternization going on that they depict in the show. The officer wives that I've met have been friendly but they keep their distance from the enlisted. I haven't lived on post yet so I don't know about the sitting around outside and bonding while the children play, but all the housing I've seen has been really close together, although they each have a separate yard, even if it is little.
we always heard so many air force life topics in coversation in rapid city. hmmm...some were good, some not...so good.
thanks for the insights :)
love the peachy picture!!
Megan
So yes the show is fake to an extent. We are army and live on post housing, there are kids that run all over and play in the yards, the parents of those kids sit outside and watch them and socialize. We have 3 plexes and 4 plexes in our neighborhood ranging from E1 to E6, the other neighborhoods have different rank requirements to live in the neighborhood.
One of my good friends, met her at church, but her husband is a Captain and was a CO of a company. He is awesome! They don't treat me or my husband any differently. They actually help us if we have questions or what not. My hubs is an E5 now but I still don't know too many wives in the company. The CO's wife and 1SGT wife are really friendly though and seem willing to help with anything that anybody needs.
I haven't watched the show, so can't compare with what they are televising.
I think enlisted and officer spouses have a harder time getting together/meeting because most everything is separated on base as it is - housing, clubs etc.
I have been fortunate not to experience such blatant discrimination among the spouses here though, maybe we've just been lucky with who we've met?
We used to have 2 officer wives in our Bunco group (they've since moved and I still keep in touch w/one of them) and no one thought anything of it.
Joe used to be in a detachment which was very small. There were about 5-6 pilot wives and 3 enlisted wives. The sq commander's wife had monthly spouse socials and always included the enlisted wives - it was for spouses, didn't matter the rank. The 3 of us used to go to one of the officer's wife's house for scrapbooking. His 2nd commander's wife at the Det was the first person to visit me in the hospital after Kayla was born and brought me a handmade blanket. They also had a baby shower for me. We were invited to Det Christmas parties at the commander's house (sq commander, not base commander) as they were a Det function, and again, not separated by rank.
Now he's back in the Comm Sq and I haven't had any contact with hardly any spouses there -enlisted or officer!
I've met many officer wives via MOPS too - not that we've really hung out outside of MOPS, but we get along during MOPS :)
On another note - not sure if you got my email, just wanted to let you know you guys are invited to Kayla's bday party this Sat :)
Ok so... this isn't really going to contribute to the flow here, but, I just wanted to say thank you Andrea (and everybody else)!
With my husband joining the AF I've had all of these questions, and I'm so excited to have so many new perspectives. Thanks again!
Wow, I guess my experience is completely different from everyone else's! We live on Maxwell AFB and my husband is an E-5, but I am friends with the base commander's wife and with the Air University commander's wife. Our children attend the school here on base and are always in the same class, which is how I met them. I have gone to lunch with them and attended parties at their houses. My children are always invited to their children's birthday parties and over to play. We ( myself, other enlisted wives I am friends with, and several officers' wives) have a monthly girls' night out. This is of course the first time I have lived on base, but I have not noticed that much separation between the officers' wives and the enlisted wives. Now I am a little scared about PCSing next year.
I'm jealous of Jamie. I want to go live with her on her base! lol That's how it should be everywhere if you ask me!
What is really boils down to is the individual.
Just like in subdivision and jobs outside of the military you find people who think they are better than others and will only hang out with people of a certain status. Likewise there are those of us who judge you for the person you are and see no stripes.
After thinking on this all day, I came back to add more thoughts. Except I got here and realized that Stacia just posted exactly what I was thinking. In almost nine years married to the military (lol) I have been at four bases and one civilian area assignment (not near a base) and I've found that it's more about the individual people that you meet rather than a general "officers wives" vs "enlisted wives" type thing. My experience has never been anything other than positive in that reguard. As a matter of fact, until I read Andrea's post about being snubbed by the major's wife, I hadn't heard of anything like that in a long time!
I haven't seen the show you mentioned, but in my experience, as a Marine wife whose lived in base housing for ten years I have always experienced the close houses and the children running and playing in between houses and in our yards. I have met so many amazing women and just a small handful of those who I didn't mesh with. Especially in Okinawa, I have to say, most neighbors do become instant friends because it is all we have here besides our immediate family.
The show sounds interesting...I want to see it!
I got to see the show for the first time over the weekend of the 4th...very interesting...
Anyway, we're a Navy family, living in Enlisted housing with Navy and Marine families, and maybe a few Army thrown in for good measure. I LOVE being back in military housing...we were in a VERY non-military community for 4 years, and I really missed the commeraderie. I don't have really close friends here...I swear I'm surrounded by some scum of the earth...but there are some really great people here too, and I love the fact that we have this lifestyle in common, and I know I can trust them to understand my joys and frustrations with military life.
I DID have a great experience with the CO's wife when we were in TX...I was the Ombudsman, and she was just this awesome person...friendly, and down-to-earth...but it was always kind of awkward at ship-wide events...
On a funny note, tonight my eldest daughter and I went for our evening walk through housing...we stopped off at her friend's house to ask about a class she was interested in taking. As we left, I asked what the friend's dad does.
My daughter responded, "He's in the Navy."
Yes, honey, I KNOW he's in the Navy...he lives in MILITARY housing, and just got back from a deployment on a ship. What does he DO in the Navy?
She laughed, and said "ummm...he's in the Navy?"
We had a good laugh...and I am glad that it doesn't matter to her what the parents' ranks or jobs are...I hope that point is getting across to all of my kids!
I think I'm the first Marine wife to post about this so here goes. Fraternization in the MC is a big deal. Big one. So I dont think I'll be hanging out with the CO's wife anytime soon! I worked at a nearby army base teaching so I do have some wonderful friends who's husbands are LtCol or Col, where as my husband is an E-6 but because of the differences in branch and post its not an issue.
We dont live in housing, it wasnt open when we moved up here, and its been difficult to meet people. I know a couple other wives from the squadron but it seems as if there is almost a housing "clique" now and we'll I dont care to be in it. I'm content out in town living my quiet little life. But there is a sort of unspoken bond in a way just being a Marine wife. Oh that sounds so cheesy.
Wow what a reply you got from this question!
We are AF but we used to be Army. I think it all depends on the base you're at. On Elmendorf Alaska we were pretty close with some people, some we still talk to today, while at Ft. Meade we didn't really know anyone, here on Ft. Ord again we really haven't met anyone but just recently they started moving in Officers into our neighborhoods because lack of their housing.
I don't look at rank and now that we are starting to be the "older" couple we look to help out the younger "kids" even though we are not suppose to.
About the show, I want to like it but it is kind of cheesy. The only real thing about it is the PX, it looks like they shot the show inside of a real one!
Well I'm an Air Force wife and have been one for 10 years and it's nothing like the Army Wives show. I completely agree with you, there's a comraderie but nothing like the show.
And as for the fraternization, that is just completely off, there is NO way in heck that an enlisted wife would be hanging out with the officer wives and especially the base commander's wife. LOL Yeah, not even happening!
I'm an AF wife. My Steve has been in for almost 18 months and is an E-3. I've never seen Army Wives (but have wanted to). But from personal experience, what little I have, I am extremely blessed with an over-abundance of close-nit friends I have made here at Ft. Ord, CA. I know all my neighbors, and we actually hangout together, I have tons of civi friends and mil wives friends from all branches. My close friends include officer wives as well. My hubby is enlisted. At this base, fraternization is not that big a deal. Although from talking with other wives, the Army seems to be more relaxed on the whole issue compared to sister services.
From listening to other wives, it's a matter of attitude and getting yourself out there to become close. You know the saying, "In order to have friends, you have to show yourself to be friendly". Totally true. I've lived most of my life without friends or knowing my neighbors, etc. But when Steve joined the AF, I decided that I was going to get out and make friends and I have. The ladies that I know (about 50 of them are military alone) are warm, caring, sensitive, loving, and always there for each other if we need it.
We do playgroups, girls night outs, book clubs, babysitting coop, talk to all them on the phone weekly, and we've done dinner with officers and they've come over and had dinner with us, etc. We've shared, cried, rejoiced and been there for each other in the last 18 months. I've never experienced this type of friendship or fellowship before. It's incredible!
I think there are several keys to success:
1. Get away from the computer.
2. Get away from the TV.
3. Meet your neighbors.
4. Walk right up to a complete stranger, introduce yourself, and get her #. If you say you'll call to go to lunch or have a playdate for the kids. Do it within the week of getting the #.
Just some things that worked for me.
Love you guys,
Eden
Just stumbled upon your blog-
I am an Army wife- we are stationed at Ft. Sam Houston, but we don't live on post. The houses are way nicer than those I've seen on most bases, however, lots of new, nice, and single homes are being built here, so it sort of reflects what we have. I've been to some birthday parties on base, adn the wives seem to be pretty good friends with their neighbors.
As far and the fraternization goes- I would LOVE it if we were allowed to do that! For the last almost 2 yrs I became best friends with my husbands (E5) company comander's wife. We weren't allowed to hang out, unless we invited every other wife in the company as well. It was really a bummer, because we had so much in common, and our little boys are the same age. Sometimes we would sneak and meet at a park, though. It's sad that making friends with someone who's husband of higher rank is discouraged.
I do think the only reason I've become close with other wives is because I am very involved in the company FRG (the family readiness group). If you aren't involved in something like that, you don't stand a chance.
(this is getting long- sorry!) I also think the Army Wives show is a maybe a bit different than most of us are used to, because their hubbies are super secret special forces (or whatever- I don't follow the show that much). And since the ladies are required to live on post, all next door to each other, they ARE each other's support. So in that way I can see it totally happening.
Anyway- your kids are adorable! I'm glad I stumbled upon your blog :)
Gosh... well... I am a Navy wife and have been for 9 years. My husband is currently up for Chief (E-7) and we should be getting the results soon... so... basically... if he puts on Chief... we would be fraternizing with all our old friends. Now.. do I believe in that garbage.. no... not really. I know in my husband's command there is alot of fraternization going on but not of the "just being friendly" sorts... more so on the basis of a romantic type relationship and pregnancies etc. So, there is disciplinary action being taken in those situations.
I have lived in SO many different places. Some on base, some off base. Being on base makes it difficult for us and for our children. Our girls are now losing alot of friends every few months because of PCS'ing which makes it tough. We live in a housing unit that is near the E-7 + and officer housing so many of their friends from school are children of higher ranking parents. The conversations with those parents are usually brief. BUT on the other hand, I am a Girl Scout Leader and my husband is a softball coach so we end up being more friendly with many of the higher ranking parents and go to BBQs and birthday parties etc. and just having healthy adult conversations.
I have had one decent friend here who recently moved away... I am getting closer to another person but it is still difficult to make trusting relationships. We have witnessed so much being in this housing which I am sure you could witness anywhere you live. It is such a melting pot of different nationalities, educational levels, cultures, coming from different areas of the country.. you really need to find a common interest... and that can be the tough part. GOD I have rambled... Hope I didnt bore anyone.. but... I am all for fraternazation (sp?!) LOL! Just kidding of course... I am just a human adult... same as a woman whose husband has a khaki uniform.
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